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ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by gnstill » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:39 pm

I just received a posting on my Peter Fidler Forum from Adam PAXTON from England, regarding Angelique.

Welcome to the Red River Forum. Adam. You will probably have to re-register your user-name and password for this Forum. Sorry to inconvenience you with this redirection, but I am now dealing with the McKENZIE genealogy on this, my new website. I am gradually updating and transferring such topics here, and adding new stuff almost every day. I had a few bugs at first, but everything seems to be working fine now.

Adam is a descendant of James ANDERSON (1812-1867) who married Angelique’s daughter Margaret. James and his brother Alexander Caulfield ANDERSON (1814-1844) were both HBC employees of significant interest.

Adam, I would love to have your lineage back to James.

The extent of my knowledge about Angelique is contained at this link: RODERICK McKENZIE

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by paxton1 » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:38 am

hi ,adam here relative of james anderson whose wife margeret mckenzie was a daughter of angelique and rodderick. just wondered as james and margeret were given the most importance in roddericks will, could that have been because james mother was eliza charlotte simpson and she was related to george simpson. James anderson is my gt gt grandfather and I know nothing about eliza charlotte simpson, cheers adam

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by gnstill » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:35 pm

That's an interesting question, Adam

Unfortunately I have not been able to determine who were the parents of Elizabeth Charlotte SIMPSON. One reference indicates that she was the daughter of a high-ranking East India Company merchant in Madras and Calcutta, but doesn't name him.

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by WarrenForsythe » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:45 pm

4 march 2011
receiving no corrections overnight, for now I posted my (tentative) corrected version, based upon what I could find
on redriverancestry.ca and links I could make use of there
at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin ... n&id=I1705
~~Thank you so much for making these corrected ancestries available!
and feel free to make more corrections
-Warren Forsythe – compiler of database whitman at http://wc.rootsweb.com
-- email address -- genealogy117 (at) fairpoint.net
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Sharie Argue ; don_niagara@yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: MacKenzie & redriver website question

3 march 2011
MacKenzie experts from Warren Forsythe
======================
(please forward this question to Gary N Still , or whoever does the MacKenzies on Red River site
as I can’t find emaila ddress on redRiver MacKenzie site)

The following sites have been extremely helpful in correcting my Canadian fur-trader MacKenzie families
on my database whitman at http://wc.rootsweb.com
--
That is,-- except one question
at
http://www.redriverancestry.ca/McKENZIE ... K-1772.php
at top of page says the Roderick MacKenzie (ca 1772 Scotland – 1859 Canada)
was son of parents: Catherine And the Alexander MacKenzie (ca 1737-1802) of Scotland
(so I included that Roderick McK among their children in my revised compilation)

HOWEVER:
a site that redriver site linked to
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... iralex.htm
in the bottom half of that page
the family tree, at its bottom line, mentions 4 siblings (maybe born to the above Catherine) were fur-traders, among siblings b.ca. 1761-1787
--
then near bottom of above web page, among the 4 fur-trade brothers
the Roderick brother is !!!
NOT !!
the above Roderick, but rather Roderick (ca1761 scotland -1844 quebec)
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At first glance this seems an uncompilable discrepancy,
-
So for now I compiled Roderick born ca 1761 as born to Alexander(~1737-1802)’s earlier wife Margaret
and compiled the Roderick born ca 1772 as born to the above Catherine.
==
If you have better compilation suggestions, I’d love to have who the parents of Roderick (~1761-1844) should be ocmpiled as.

~~Most Appreciatively,
Warren Forsythe , compiler of database whitman at http://wc.rootsweb.com

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by gnstill » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:33 am

I'm sorry, my old brain is a little confused with all this.
What exactly (simply put) is the question and who is asking?

If we have new info regarding the parents of OUR (My) Roderick, please stay here with the question (or answer). I cannot answer that any better than what I already indicated; I am just as confused as everyone else in that regard.

If we are discussing the parents of Roderick of Terrebonne (or any other Roderick), please do so under the following topic: Click here: McKENZIE RODERICKS

By separating the topics I am trying to avoid confusions such as this.

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by Nancy Anderson » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:34 pm

Hi; I am descended from Alexander Caulfield Anderson and Eliza Charlotte Simpson -- as was James Anderson A, HBC, who you are talking of a while ago. James Anderson's father and mother in law were Angelique & Roderick McKenzie, but this Roderick McKenzie was not Alexander Mackenzie's cousin as has been suggested. Instead he is the Roderick MacKenzie Sr., born in Parish Lochinver & Assynt and joined the North West Company in late 1700's (1772-1859 is correct). His father was Alexander MacKenzie of Ullapool, died March 12, 1802.
Roderick MacKenzie's biography is in HBCA Biographical sheets and I think its available in Dictionary of Canadian Biography Online. He spent much of his time at Lake Nipigon post, which is where James Anderson A, HBC, met him.
Eliza Charlotte Simpson was the daughter of a high ranking (very high ranking) East India Company civil servant who managed the Salsette Mint, near Bombay. No relation to Governor as far as I know. In fact she was probably in part Native of India as we have been unable to find out much about her.

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by gnstill » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:25 am

You must have missed my posting on Angelique & Roderick McKENZIE. Here is the link: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE

As for James ANDERSON (1812-1867; married Margaret McKENZIE) and Alex Caufield ANDERSON (1814-1844). I have them as the sons of Elizabeth Charlotte SIMPSON & Robert ANDERSON (1781-1840).

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Re: ANGELIQUE & RODERICK McKENZIE (1772-1859)

Post by aandeg » Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:31 pm

Hello - I am new to this site, so hope I get this information out correctly. I am writing about Angelique the Nipigon Ojibway wife of Roderick MacKenzie. I am not sure where her last name was obtained from - possibley Dr. Elizabeth Arthur, however I believe it to be incorrect.
Jean Morrison wrote the book Lake Superior to Rainy Lake and included Elizabeth Arthur's work called Angelique and Her Children. She is very clear that Angelique was a Nipigon Ojibway woman. I have a report called "Treaty Research Claim No. 0197-601 Treaty Validity and Distinction of Lake Nipigon Bands submitted by David-Michael Thompson Nov 26, 2001. On page 3 he writes, "Hudson's Bay Company records associated with the post at Lake St. Anne, also known as Lake Nipigon, identify in 1790, Captain Wawauakeeshick. This chief is again reported in the post journal of 1793 as Wew-e-ai-kesick. He is later discussed in this report as Le Grain Chief also known as Way-we-ai-kesick. The name of this Nepigon Chief appears in post records as far away as Rainy Lake. A sister of the Chief married Roderick McKenzie a fur trader with the North West Company."

This is my husbands 4th Great Grandfather. Wayweai Kesick is Round Sky in English. He died in 1829 and in the HBC Post Journal (B.149/a/12 - Aug 10, 1829) It is written "Old Le Grain the Chief departed this life about 4 o'clock pm. He suffered very much during the last few days of his life; in losing him we may truly say that we lost the best Indian at Nipigon, who was remarkable all his life for his steady attachment to the white people." There are many mentions of this chief in the post journals. We know before he died his oldest son did not want to become chief and his sons decided it should go to his youngest son Sahmoo. When Sahmoo was just 20 in 1835 he killed his brother, and wounded two of his other brothers, plus caused a lot of trouble over a number of years. These events are in the Post Journals. Back to the story of Angelique by Elizabeth Arthur - she writes " Also, the knowledge that, in the view of most Hudson's Bay Company officials, the Nipigon Indians were especially violent and unreliable put particular pressure on ambitious young men to dissociate themselves from their uncles and cross cousins (that is children of Angelique's brothers)."

I don't have any photo's of the women but the men descendants were quite tall and all good looking. It would make sense that Roderick MacKenzie would marry a Chief's sister or daughter. Wayweai Kesick was not only the Chief of the Bear Clan he was consisdered the Grand Chief of the Lake Nipigon Bands (I believe that is how the Hudson Bay men came to nick name him La Grain,(They gave names to the other chiefs, like La Medals (to the chief that lead the Nipigon group in the war of 1812) and La Medicine,etc.). By marrying into this famiy he would have a family tie to all the Indians of the Lake. Also when I read the HBC journals it made sense to me that he would speak so highly of his Brother-in-law.

Aandeg

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