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JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
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GlengarryBarbara
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Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
According to my research my great-grandfather, James Gerrond, was also married to Mary Garland (b. 1857 in Grenville, Argenteuil, Quebec, Canada; d. 27 Nov 1908). This information was found in the records of the Sacred Heart Cathedral, Prince Albert, SK (Saskatchewan Catholic Church records: GS Film Number 001033188; Digital Folder Number 005472554; Image Number 00303). The date of this marriage is 25 Oct 1907, when James was 47 and Mary was 50. As Mary Garland died one year and a month later at age 51 and there were no children born of this marriage, James likely married Dora Martha Lawrence sometime in 1909 and the first of their four children, Allan William Gerrond, was born in 1910 in Prince Albert SK. James and Dora's other children, all born in Prince Albert SK, are: Ruby (b. 1912), Margaret (b. 1914; d. 1993) and Nora Kathleen (b. 1920).
Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
Unless I have something mixed up, James’ first wife (Mary Jane nee MONKMAN) didn’t die until Nov 18, 1908 in Portage.
If James married Mary GARLAND in 1907 it would mean his first wife was still living at the time. Do I have the wrong death date for Mary Jane?
If James married Mary GARLAND in 1907 it would mean his first wife was still living at the time. Do I have the wrong death date for Mary Jane?
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GlengarryBarbara
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Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
Hello Gary,
My records indicate Mary Jane Monkman died on 15 April 1893 when my grandfather John Gerrond (b. 23 Dec 1888; d. 16 Oct 1959) was four years of age. James and Mary Jane also had a 2nd child, Mabel Isabella who died before her first birthday (b. 02 Nov 1892; d. 13 May 1893). As this was just one month after the death of her mother Mary Jane, it makes me wonder if there was an influenza epidemic at the time, or was the close proximity of their deaths just a coincidence? The source I have for Mary Jane's death is found on the Manitoba, Death Index, 1881-1943 website: http://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.d ... sePUB=true
Barbara Petepiece (née Blanchard)
My records indicate Mary Jane Monkman died on 15 April 1893 when my grandfather John Gerrond (b. 23 Dec 1888; d. 16 Oct 1959) was four years of age. James and Mary Jane also had a 2nd child, Mabel Isabella who died before her first birthday (b. 02 Nov 1892; d. 13 May 1893). As this was just one month after the death of her mother Mary Jane, it makes me wonder if there was an influenza epidemic at the time, or was the close proximity of their deaths just a coincidence? The source I have for Mary Jane's death is found on the Manitoba, Death Index, 1881-1943 website: http://search.ancestry.ca/cgi-bin/sse.d ... sePUB=true
Barbara Petepiece (née Blanchard)
Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
You need to double-check that Barbara. That Vital Stats record indicates that on that date Mary Jane MONKMAN (NOT GERROND) died at the age of 20 months.
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GlengarryBarbara
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Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
Gary, to which date are you referring? The Mary Jane (Monkman) Gerrond to whom I refer in my previous message is the one who married James Gerrond - they are my great-grandparents. According to the Manitoba, Death Index, 1881-1943, Mary Jane Monkman was born in Manitoba abt. 1873 and she died, at age 21 years, on 15 Apr 1893 (although my records indicate her birth date as 07 Oct 1871 in Manitoba). Her son, John Gerrond, was born in Prince Albert SK on 23 Dec 1888. Mary Jane was buried in the cemetery of St. Andrew's Anglican Church in Halco SK. The church was vandalised and subsequently demolished a few years ago, but the cemetery (located just a few Km south of Prince Albert) is still owned by the Anglican Diocese of Saskatchewan (headquartered in Prince Albert SK) and it is maintained by a local committee in the Prince Albert/Halcro area. I have also found a source in the Saskatchewan, Canada, Residents Index (SRI), 1800-2012 for the death of a Maria Monkman which gives Death Date as "abt. 1884" but I am not sure if this is the same person as Mary Jane (Monkman) Gerrond, as the information on this website gives only the 1884 date and the place of death as Halcro, Saskatchewan, Canada.
I might have two persons (Mary Jane Monkman and Maria Monkman) combined, and the fact that James Gerrond's (possible) 2nd wife was also named Mary (Garland) may also be confusing the matter. Nonetheless, there is a record found in the register of Sacred Heart Cathedral in Prince Albert for the marriage of Mary Garland and James Gerrond dated 25 Oct 1907. I have not seen the actual record, only the information I gave stating there is such a record. I guess my next step will be to contact the Roman Catholic Diocese of Prince Albert to see if I can get a copy of the details in this record. I will let you know if I discover any more information.
I might have two persons (Mary Jane Monkman and Maria Monkman) combined, and the fact that James Gerrond's (possible) 2nd wife was also named Mary (Garland) may also be confusing the matter. Nonetheless, there is a record found in the register of Sacred Heart Cathedral in Prince Albert for the marriage of Mary Garland and James Gerrond dated 25 Oct 1907. I have not seen the actual record, only the information I gave stating there is such a record. I guess my next step will be to contact the Roman Catholic Diocese of Prince Albert to see if I can get a copy of the details in this record. I will let you know if I discover any more information.
Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
Regarding Mary Jane MONKMAN’s death: I’m referring to the Mary Jane MONKMAN at the link you provided yourself (Manitoba Death Index). On the opening page it does say Death Date: Apr 15, 1893, and infers the age of death as 20 with a birth date of 1873. However, this appears to be an error. When you do the follow-up you get her age at death as 20 months. To prove my point I have temporarily pasted an image of the actual Vital Stats record into the Family Page.
I repeat, this Mary Jane MONKMAN, and NOT GERROND. There doesn’t appear to be any Mary Jane GERROND in Vital Stats.
I repeat, this Mary Jane MONKMAN, and NOT GERROND. There doesn’t appear to be any Mary Jane GERROND in Vital Stats.
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GlengarryBarbara
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Re: JAMES GERROND (1860-1937)
Hello Gary,
I am still trying to resolve the confusion re: my great-grandparents, James and Mary Jane [born Monkman] Gerrond. I Have contacted the Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Cathedral in Prince Albert SK for information regarding the 2nd marriage of James Gerrond to Mary Garland on 25 Oct 1907 and the Cathedral records confirm their marriage. As the Roman Catholic Church does not recognise divorce, I am sure James had to have some proof of the death of his 1st wife, Mary Jane Monkman. My grandfather, John Gerrond was born in Prince Albert SK in 1888, so his mother, Mary Jane Monkman, must have died at some time between 1888 and James' 2nd marrriage to Mary Garland in 1907. Therefore I asked for and am now waiting for a copy of the marriage document for James and Mary Garland. I also asked if they have any other information in their records for James Gerrond but as he was actually a member of the Church of England [Anglican], I doubt there will be other documents concerning him found in the Sacred Heart Cathedral records. However, one never knows what may turn up and I will keep you informed of any information I find.
It is interesting that James' 3rd wife, Dora Martha Lawrence, was also a Roman Catholic, so the RC Cathedral may have some information about their marriage circa 1909. Last summer (August 2015) I met Therese Aliane Gerrond, the daughter of James and Dora Lawrence's son, Allan William Gerrond [b. 1910 in Saskatchewan; d. 1972 in Prince Albert SK]. She 'found' me on the WikiTree genealogy site and offered to be my chauffeur and tour-guide when I brought my mother's ashes back to Saskatchewan. My mother, Olive [born Gerrond] Blanchard was born in Saskatoon SK in 1922 and died in in Cornwall ON in 2012. I spread Mum's ashes around the tombstone of her great-grandfather, William Gerrond (b. 22 Apr 1827 in Kirk Girthon, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland; d. 22 Dec 1912 in Red Deer Hill SK] in St. Andrew's cemetery, which is located in a rural area near Prince Albert SK.
Hopefully, we can soon clear up this puzzle and determine if the Manitoba record which I have used as a source in my Ancestry.ca tree, is for my great-grandmother Mary Jane [Monkman] Gerrond, with an error as to whether or not she was 20 years or 20 months when she died, or if there was indeed another Mary Jane Monkman who lived and died in Manitoba at the age of 20 months.
Barbara [born Blanchard] Petepiece
I am still trying to resolve the confusion re: my great-grandparents, James and Mary Jane [born Monkman] Gerrond. I Have contacted the Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Cathedral in Prince Albert SK for information regarding the 2nd marriage of James Gerrond to Mary Garland on 25 Oct 1907 and the Cathedral records confirm their marriage. As the Roman Catholic Church does not recognise divorce, I am sure James had to have some proof of the death of his 1st wife, Mary Jane Monkman. My grandfather, John Gerrond was born in Prince Albert SK in 1888, so his mother, Mary Jane Monkman, must have died at some time between 1888 and James' 2nd marrriage to Mary Garland in 1907. Therefore I asked for and am now waiting for a copy of the marriage document for James and Mary Garland. I also asked if they have any other information in their records for James Gerrond but as he was actually a member of the Church of England [Anglican], I doubt there will be other documents concerning him found in the Sacred Heart Cathedral records. However, one never knows what may turn up and I will keep you informed of any information I find.
It is interesting that James' 3rd wife, Dora Martha Lawrence, was also a Roman Catholic, so the RC Cathedral may have some information about their marriage circa 1909. Last summer (August 2015) I met Therese Aliane Gerrond, the daughter of James and Dora Lawrence's son, Allan William Gerrond [b. 1910 in Saskatchewan; d. 1972 in Prince Albert SK]. She 'found' me on the WikiTree genealogy site and offered to be my chauffeur and tour-guide when I brought my mother's ashes back to Saskatchewan. My mother, Olive [born Gerrond] Blanchard was born in Saskatoon SK in 1922 and died in in Cornwall ON in 2012. I spread Mum's ashes around the tombstone of her great-grandfather, William Gerrond (b. 22 Apr 1827 in Kirk Girthon, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland; d. 22 Dec 1912 in Red Deer Hill SK] in St. Andrew's cemetery, which is located in a rural area near Prince Albert SK.
Hopefully, we can soon clear up this puzzle and determine if the Manitoba record which I have used as a source in my Ancestry.ca tree, is for my great-grandmother Mary Jane [Monkman] Gerrond, with an error as to whether or not she was 20 years or 20 months when she died, or if there was indeed another Mary Jane Monkman who lived and died in Manitoba at the age of 20 months.
Barbara [born Blanchard] Petepiece