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GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by gnstill » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:02 pm

New Family Page: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Anxious to discuss this family, and particularly Thomas THOMAS Junior. Please post your comments hereunder.

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by George Johnstone » Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:40 am

What is evidence that his daughter Frances (Fanny) married a man called Henry Buxton?

I had hoped she married my ancestor, George Johnstone.

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by George Johnstone » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:33 pm

from Thomas genology on line

Thomas Thomas (1) born 1765 married Sarah born 1776-1846

(I)-Thomas Thomas (2) born 1766-1824 married Neenish born 1781

(I)-Thomas Thomas (3) born 1772-1868 married Mienish (Mary) born 1774

Thomas Thomas (4) born 1781 married Sally (Gaily) born 1800

Thomas Thomas (5) born 1796-1836 married Sarah born 1800

Thomas Thomas (6) born 1806 married Helena born 1806

Thomas Thomas (7) born 1808 married Sarah born 1812

Thomas Thomas ( ) married Jane born 1825

1765 BRITISH ISLANDS

(I)-Thomas Thomas (1) born 1765 (ID # 4682) an Englishman

Married about 1803 Sara an Indian Woman born 1776 North West died November 12, 1846 St. John, Red River. A Thomas Thomas defected Hudson Bay Company for North West Company and relocated to the Red River settlement about 1804 see Thomas (3).

1766 ENGLAND

(I)-Thomas Thomas (2) alias John George Thomas born 1766 St. Andrews, Holborn, London, England, died 1824

Married Meenish Cree born 1781 and her 2nd marriage after 1824 Richard Steven

ONE CHILD IS RECORDED

Charles Thomas, Metis, b-1811, baptized April 7, 1828, died April 28, 1904, married Mary Bouver b-1827

SIX CHILDREN ARE RECORDED

Isabella Thomas, Metis

Henry Thomas, Metis

John Thomas, Metis

Daniel Thomas Metis

George Thomas, Metis

Richard Thomas, Metis

1769 MOOSE FACTORY HUDSON BAY

(I)-John Thomas born 1751 London, died June 9, 1822 Vaudreuil, Quebec

Married Margaret died December 31, 1813

RECORDED CHILDREN from HBC records

(II)-John Thomas Jr., Metis died June 3, 1816 Moose Factory, employed HBC (1797-1816) married Meenish Indian epouse by 1824 Richard Stevens

(II)-*Eleanor Thomas, Metis born November 22, 1780 Wapiscogamy, Moose, 1st married about 1807, Moose Factory, (I)-William Richards; children born before 1769 by Native woman::
(II)-Henry Richards, Metis
(II)-Richard Richard, Metis
2nd marriage Thomas Thomas; children
*Henry Thomas
*Richard Thomas
3rd marriage before 1822 Peter Foy
(II)-*Charlotte Thomas, Metis, born June 2, 1788 Moose Factory, died May 17, 1843, 1st married 1803 Moose Factory John George McTavish (1778-1847); John George married m-1816, Nancy McKenzie, Metis, m-1830, Catherine Turner, d-1841, m-1843 Elizabeth Cameron, d-1855

2nd married November 8, 1819, (I)-Peter Spence (1777-1855)
(II)-*John Spence, Metis b-1811
(II)-Isabella Spence, Metis b-October 26, 1809
(II)-Ann Spence, Metis b-1813
(II)-James Russell, Metis b-1821
(II)-Charlotte Spence, Metis b-June 14, 1823, married John Ball son James Bell and Mary Knight, source Jean Pierre Knight
(II)-Charles Spence, Metis born February 1, 1825
(II)-Hanna Spence born April 21, 1828
(II)-Henry Thompson Spence, Metis born April 15, 1833

(II)-*Charles Thomas, Metis born Moose Factory, employed HBC (1808-1832)

(II)-*Margaret Thomas, Metis returned from London 1792, but returned later, a spinster in London

(II)-*Frances (Fanny) Thomas, Metis, b-1796 Moose Factory, married about 1811 Moose Factory, (I)-Andrew Stewart (1789-1822)
(II)-Robert (Frederick) Stewart, Metis b-1813 Moose Factory, died April 11, 1889 Scotland

(II)-#Mary Thomas, Metis born July 23, 1791 died October 24, 1802, Moose Factory

(II)-#Edward Thomas, Metis born February 5, 1801, died July 25, 1802 Moose Factory

(II)-#Richard Edward Thomas, Metis, born February 13, 1803, died December 16, 1803 Moose Factory

(II)-#Jane Thomas born October 29, 1804, died September 1, 1806, Moose Factory

(II)-*Ann Thomas, Metis, married (I)-Alexander Christie (1783-1872)
(II)-Alexander Christie, Metis
(II)-William Joseph Christie, Metis
(II)-Margaret Christie, Metis, married John Black (1817-1879)

(II)-*Elizabeth Thomas, Metis 1st married (I)-Richard Story Robins (1779-1807)
(II)-*Richard Story Robins, Metis, married Hannah Schneider

2nd married before 1822, (I)-James Russell b-1784

(II)-*Henry Thomas, Metis born before 1822 a minor living with James Russell

* mentioned in (I)-John Thomas will of 1822

# could be grandchildren

1769

John George Thomas (2) born 1769 died Red River Settlement August 4, 1850 St. Andrews Church.

1772 BRITISH ISLANDS

(I)-Thomas Thomas-(3) born 1772 British Islands arrived York Factory 1794 defected to North West Company 1804, died August 2, 1868 St. Peter's Church, Red River,

Married about 1798 Mienish Cree. She is likely Mary Thomas (1774-1844)

1774 NORTH WEST

Mary Thomas born 1774 died May 28, 1844 at Indian Settlement, Red River. No indication of which Thomas she married?

1775

William Thomas born June 1775 died April 17, 1844 St. Paul Anglican Church, Red River.

1780

(III)-Eleanor Thomas, Metis born November 22, 1780 daughter (II)-John Thomas Sr., Metis, son (I)-William Thomas; married William Richards, Metis, d-1811 son John Richards

1797 NORTH WEST

(I)-William Thomas (1779-1818) worked H.B.C. (1797-1818

Married Catherine Best, most likely Indian

CHILDREN

Richard Thomas, Metis, b-1800 in HBC service (1815-1836), baptized November 13, 1837, married Eleanor, churched Dec 21, 1837
1808-1809 in school in Albany
1838 - 3 sons 2 daughters
1840 - 3 sons 3 daughters
1843 - 4 sons 4 daughters

Charles Thomas, Metis, baptized November 13, 1837

Eleanor Thomas, Metis

Charlotte Thomas, Metis

Matilda Thomas, Metis, baptized November 13, 1837

Catherine Thomas, Metis

1780 NORTH WEST

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by George Johnstone » Sat Jun 01, 2013 1:03 pm

)-#-Francois [sic] Thomas, Metis, born 1795 married to Andrew Stewart also married May 20, 1828 Red River a Henry Buxton born 1792 Europe (ID # 611).

this is from Thomas geneology on line

It suggests the Frances Thomas, who was d of John Thomas, married Buxton after Stewart died.

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by gnstill » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:44 am

Regarding Frances THOMAS (daughter of Sarah & Thomas THOMAS) who married Henry BUXTON (1792-1870), click on this Link: HBCA BIO REGARDING HENRY BUXTON

According to this Bio, that Frances died 1843 in Oregon.

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by George Johnstone » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:36 am

Thanks alot.

Then the Fanny Thomas buried along side George Johnstone in St Andrews is neither F Thomas daugther of Thomas Thomas as she is buried in the US nor can she be Fanny Thomas, daughter of John Thomas since that woman is buried in Scotland.

I have just asked the Glenbow archives to send me the entries for George and his wife from the Denny papers, hopefully that will reveal all.

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by gnstill » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:50 pm

George: You need to re-check this: GEORGE JOHNSTONE (1797-1873)

There you can see where Fanny and George both died in Red River; Fanny in 1869, George in 1873. They’re both buried in the Old St Andrews Church Cemetery.

Please post further discussions in that regard under the preset Topic for George JOHNSTONE

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by merrilyiam » Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:35 pm

Hello Gary! I too have found Thomas Thomas Jr. confusing. My Gr. Grandmother, Maria, married to Morrison West(Waste), was the daughter of Thomas Thomas & Jane, (I thought). Maria & Morrison were married Jan. 6, 1854, St. Peter's. Thomas Thomas & Jane were married Oct. 8, 1834. (The children, of course, came before they were married.)
However, there was also a Maria, born to Thomas Thomas & Harriet Stewart. My Grandmother, Rachel Harriet West, daughter of Maria & Morrison, was married to Samuel Stevenson. So, do I believe that Maria was Jane's daughter or Harriet's, I just don't know.
I have an extract of baptisms by Cochrane in 1834, in the Territories of the Hudson's Bay Company, from Cathedral Registers, which shows the two Thomas' & Maria & Harriet, baptized as Adults.
Merrily

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by gnstill » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:20 am

Merrily: As I have indicated at the bottom of the narrative, it is still uncertain which one of the Thomas THOMASes was actually the son of Governor THOMAS.

The Thomas who married Harriet STEWART is identified in Sprague & Frye as a Thomas THOMAS (parents not identified), a Half-breed born in 1820; his wife Harriet STEWART born 1822. This union is clearly verified in the Scrip of at least one of his children, Juliet Jane THOMAS who was born in 1845 and married William LOGAN, son of Mary Anne DEASE and Thomas LOGAN (1812-1882).

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Re: GOVERNOR THOMAS THOMAS (1765-1828)

Post by thomasdahl » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:54 pm

Thought to add to your info on the family of Governor Thomas Thomas. My Mother's great great grandparents were William Thomas and Eleanor Bunn. Great grandparents William Thomas and Isabella Harriet Dahl. Isabella died after bearing 2 boys. One was my Mother's grandfather Edward James Thomas and the other his brother William Dahl Thomas.

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