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JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by gnstill » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:52 am

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by corey5435 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:25 pm

I am trying to find some information on Joseph Turner Sr.'s wife. Her name is Emma Good and she was born in 1790 in Moose Factory. I am curious to find out if she was Metis?
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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by gnstill » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:02 pm

Welcome aboard Corey!

Yes, several people have indicated that Emma GOOD was Joseph TURNER’s wife, indicating she was a daughter of Richard GOOD (1780-1850) whose Bio can be seen in the HBC Archives. I don’t know who authored that bio, but some of the dates regarding his wife (un-named) are puzzling.

If Emma GOOD was born in 1790 at Moose Factory you can rest assured that her mother would have been either an Indian or a Half-breed. There simply weren’t any white women in that area at that early date that I have ever heard of in all of my researches.

Are you a descendant? If so, we would like to know more about your lineage back to Joseph TURNER.

I will be shutting my computer down shortly, but I hope we can continue this discussion tomorrow

Gary

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by corey5435 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:54 am

Good Morning. Yes, I am a descendant of Joseph Turner Senior. My GreatGrandmother is Clara McLeod( Flying Post ) the daughter of Alexander Joseph McLeod (HBC, Interperator, Witness James Bay Treaty 9) and Jane Polson(b:10 May 1865/Pontiac North). As you are aware Alexander Joseph's parents are Alexander James McLeod ( HBC b:19 July 1825 Scotland) and Jane Turner (b:7 Apr 1836). Jane Turner is the daughter of Joseph Turner Sr. and Emma Good.
Alexander Joseph McLeod and Jane Polson were married on January 19th, 1884. Their marriage is registered on " The Indian Registers of Marriages for Albany-Temiscamingue." I have more information with regards to the witnesses of this important event but I think that that information might have to be shared somewhere in the Alexander James McLeod section.

Who is Charles Le Fav????
I have loads of great information that I am eager to share. Funny thing though is that a great deal of my information/sources are from the actual Indian Registers.

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by gnstill » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:06 pm

Yes Corey, discussions are underway for Alex at this link: FORUM DISCUSSING ALEXANDER McLEOD (1825-1885)

I have your lineage down to Clara McLEOD b-1895 but don’t know who she married. Perhaps if/when you go to that Forum Topic you could mention if you know anything about his possible marriage to a Christine BLACK ICE?.

Where did you see Charles Le Fav????
Gary

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by corey5435 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:12 pm

gnstill wrote:Yes Corey, discussions are underway for Alex at this link: FORUM DISCUSSING ALEXANDER McLEOD (1825-1885)

I have your lineage down to Clara McLEOD b-1895 but don’t know who she married. Perhaps if/when you go to that Forum Topic you could mention if you know anything about his possible marriage to a Christine BLACK ICE?.

Where did you see Charles Le Fav????
Gary
I know a LOT about his Marriage to Christina Blackice. I have an amazing newspaper clipping with a picture of her and the whole story about her marriage to ALexander Joseph McLeod. I will have to get permission to post the pic. I will carry this discussion into the ALexander James McLeod forum.

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by Meow716 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:23 am

I am the great-grandaughter of Harriet Turner (born Aug 21 1837) and Gunder Haagensen Udgarden of Moose Factory. They married 29 Apr 1864 in Moose Factory and had 9 children. She died 12 March 1895. At some point in my research, I have noted that Harriet Turner is possibly the daughter of Joseph Turner and Emma Good. Have you any info regarding Harriet? Thanks to any who reply.

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by gnstill » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:19 pm

Thanks for that Meow!

That’s a very interesting revelation! I have seen that info regarding Harriet TURNER and UDGAARDEN before, but wasn’t able to make a definite connection with Joseph TURNER. Will do some further investigation but it may be a few days before I can get back to you.

In the meantime please tell us more about your lineage (your parents, grandparents etc. back to Gunder with dates)

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by gnstill » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:00 am

I have included the UDGAARDEN marriage in my latest update. Check it out:
JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865) UPDATED

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Re: JOSEPH TURNER (1783-1865)

Post by Meow716 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:42 am

Not sure if this is what you are looking for...but here goes.....Gunder was born Gunder Haagensen Udgarden on March 29, 1828 and baptized on April 13, 1828 in Vinger of Hedmark County, Norway.
He was the son of Olia/Sigri Jacobsdatter (daughter of Jacob) & Haagen Torstensen (son of Torsten) Udgaarden
He was given to the his father - widower Haagen.(Haagen Torstensen had been married to Gubiør Olsdatter, Gytterud 1806. Gubiør Olsdatter died 1824).
Gunder's mother, Olia, & Haagen were not married when Gunder was born. According to one of the contacts I made on norwayheritage.com - this was a very common occurance in Norway. In these records for Gunder's birth the word "“uaegte"” child - meaning illegitimate is used. (Aegte - is born of a married woman).
Gunder’s mother dies only one month later in childbirth April 26, buried in May. (Leads on to believe there was a twin to Gunder, unborn).
Haagen Torstensen remarries Jan 18 1834 and he and wife, and Marthe Danielsdatter had their first son Tosten as a married couple Nov 23 1834
Haagen’s brothers, Tosten & Anders were witnesses.

Gunder was confirmed October 14, 1849.
During this time frame there was only one farm with the name Udgaarden and it was located in Vinger, Hedemarken.
Later, several men, including Gunder, leave the parish to join the military in Fredrikstand in the spring of 1850. The other men were Anund Tollefsen Udgaarden (20), Martin Martinsen Maskrud (21) and Aanund Haagensen Udgaarden 20. He must have stayed in the military for a couple of years.
The records for ships leaving Norway bound for Quebec in the time frame of 1851 - 1858 are lost. Gunder begins employment in 1858 with the Hudson Bay Company in Canada and retires June 1 1901. He served as labourer, cook and mess steward during his years with HBC.

Gunder marries Harriet Turner on April 29 1864 in Moose Factory at St. Thomas Anglican Church.
They had 9 children:
Sarah (1865-1901) who marries William Shaw, Josephine Barbara (1867 - 1901) who marries Oscar Carlson; Harold Udgarden (1869 - 1950) who marries an Inuit woman and serves as an interpreter in Great Whale River; Augustine/Gus/Gustavus 1870 - ?) who marries Emile Moar; Jane Frederica (1872 - ?); Anne (1874 - 1952) who marries John/Jean Loutitt; Mary (1876 - 1944) (my grandmother) who married Peter Closs; James (1878 - ?); and Elizabeth Emma (1879 - 1976) who marries George (Ab) Fisher.
The name Udgarden is changed by some to Gunner and by others including my grandmother to Gardiner.
Several of the above leave Moose Factory and move south including my grandmother Mary. She marries my grandfather, Peter Closs, in Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario in 1907. My mother, Dorothy was born in 1922 and married my father (1946) who was from Maryland. I was born in Maryland.
To finish regarding Gunder - In 1901, Gunder is 73, a widower. His son James is 21; daughter, Jane is 29; and daughter, Emma is 19 are they are found in the census living in Moose Factory. (I believe he passes away soon after 1902).
All children are listed as Crie (Cree).

Another interesting thing is that beside Harriet who is most likely from the Turner line written about at this site, my grandfather, Peter Closs (mentioned above) descends from Peter Pond, also an explorer/fur trader.

Are you familiar with the book, "The New Peoples:
Being and Becoming Métis in North America," edited by Jaqueline Louise Brown and Jennifer S.H. Brown? There is a section on Moose Factory in it.

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