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Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:43 am
by Jlwiebe94
If you read Barbara Mitchell’s book “Mapmaker,” you will see that her research indicates that this woman may have been Cree rather than Ojibway

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:40 am
by bhmitchell
hello rachellelong,
I have no definitive information about Philip Turnor's country wife. In my biography I indicate the information that I have heard/read from other descendants. Turnor's wife could have been from the Moose Factory area, from Brunswick House or from the Abitibi area and the child, Joseph, could have been born in any of those places, sometime between 1782 and 1784. Likely Turnor's country wife was Cree. You say your family "knows" that Turnor's wife is Ojibway. Could you let me know from where this information came? Thanks, Barbara

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:59 am
by rachellelong
Thank you for your fast reply! My family member Kenny has been working extensively on this family tree. He is away right now but when he gets back I will get a definitive answer. From what I understand is that she is from Waspicogamy House and he has some documentation on it.
Also, I am waiting for my ancestry dna to be completed so hopefully there might be something that comes up from that (fingers crossed).

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:40 pm
by bhmitchell
Hello rachellelong
Do let me know the source of your information when you can. Wapiscogamy is the earlier name for Brunswick House so your information may be the same as mine.

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:03 am
by Horsefly
Hello all interested in this forum topic.

I am looking for comment on the topic of Philip Turnor offspring. I am looking for information on John Turnor (1779-1844), Mary Aggathas Kennedy (nee Turnor) (1782-1863) and Hannah (Ann or Annie) Humphreyville (nee Turnor) (b. circa 1790) if they are not offspring of Philip Turnor. A cursory review of information on hand suggests that the timing of birth dates and other available information supports the possibility that these persons are offspring of Philip Turnor and sibling, Joseph Alexander Turner (1783-1865), my maternal line North American born male progenitor.

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:36 pm
by bhmitchell
Hello Horsefly,
In my biography, MAPMAKER, I recognized only Joseph Turnor as the son of Philip Turnor. I did not follow Joseph's history in any depth but may do some more work on that. I also did not follow the lives of any children of Joseph and Emma and there were 13. I only know about Charlotte Turner, 9th born child in 1829. Pearl Weston in ACROSS THE RIVER recognizes Joseph as the son and a "Register of Births" which lists the children of Joseph and Emma [not Good] recognizes Joseph as the son of Philip. I do not know who John Turnor (1779-1844) is. There was a John born to Joseph and Emma in 1842 according to my information. I do not have any information on Hannah (Anne). Mary Aggathas who married Alexander Kennedy could have been a daughter of Philip as suggested on the redriverancestry site although that would mean Philip and his wife had two children within 3 years. Also he was in Abitibi and Brunswick House territory at that time--not Cumberland House where Mary Aggathas settled. I have no knowledge of Philip and Joseph Alexander being brothers and the date 1783 suggests this is Joseph the son. Joseph and Emma named one son Joseph and he was born 1815. I don't imagine that we are going to be able to entangle all of this, but I hope sometime we get more clarity.

Barbara Mitchell

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:19 pm
by patweir
Hello. I too am searching for more information on Philip Turnor’s wife. Pearl Weston’s book refers to her as Eskimo Woman. This has been discounted by many, thinking she would be Cree or Ojibway. This made sense to me until I had my DNA done and two cousins showed up in Iqaluit. I am a direct descendent of Philip Turnor and the only First Nations ancestry I have would have come from his wife. Now “ Eskimo Woman” makes a bit more sense.

Someone else had remarked they had their DNA tested. I would be interested in any results. I would love to give this woman a name. I am sure Philip Turnor would never have survived without her.

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:23 pm
by Horsefly
Good evening Pat,

As stated in previous posts, I have had my DNA done. Two persons have been identified as sharing some DNA with me who appear to be Inuit.

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:08 pm
by patweir
Horsefly do you not think that this could give some credence to “Eskimo Woman”?

Re: PHILIP TURNOR (1751-1799)

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:35 am
by Horsefly
Trying to send you a private message.... Take this discussion off line....