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JAMES ANDERSON (1827-1867)
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For those interested in reading the HBC Journals of 1867:
James Anderson (died 1867)
According to the Hudson's Bay Company's Abstracts of Servants accounts'
James Anderson is listed as coming from the parish of Bressay in the
Shetland Islands. He remained throughout his career with the Company in the
Norway House District, being listed as a labourer for outfits 1842-43 to
1846-47, as a joiner for outfits 1847-48 to1853-54, as an interpreter for
outfits 1854-55 to 1855-56, as a postmaster from outfit 1856-57 to outfit
1861-62, and subsequently as a clerk.
A Norway House post journal exists in the Company's archives covering 1867
and this contains the following information regarding the fire at James
Anderson's house in February of that year:
1867
14 February
' A large fire broke out in the Kitchen part of Mr. Anderson's House about
half past one o'clock AM The eldest daughter Fanny was the first who
discovered the fire she ran and told her Father and Mother who were asleep
at the other end of the house. Mrs. Anderson broke the window and got out
herself, Mary the third youngest & youngest boy and took them over to Mr.
Grahame's. Mr. Anderson got out by the Kitchen door and gave the alarm, and
every person about the Fort promptly on the spot. Mr. Grahame and others
managed to get the remaining children out of the house. Jane the second
daughter was found in bed but quite dead; she had been smothered before the
people outside could get in. Fanny, the eldest, was so badly burned that she
died at 7 o'clock PM three more are in very low state having also got very
burns. If is had not been a very calm night and the able way the people
worked the greater part of the fort would have been in ashes. I cannot say
how the fire originated, Mr Anderson's family are getting nursed and
carefully attended to in Mr Grahame's house.
15 February
'.Mr. Anderson's two eldest children were buried today over at the Grave
Yard. The Revd C. Stringfellow preached the burial service. About 8 o'clock
this evening Bella the third daughter died after suffering a great deal of
pain, from her internal and external burns'.
16 February
'.Bella Anderson was buried today at the Grave Yard the Revd C. Stringfellow
read the service George Anderson died a little after 8 o'clock, this evening
from the effects of the burns he received'.
18 February
'.George Anderson was buried over in the grave yard The Burial service was
read by Mr Stringfellow'.
James A. Grahame to W
22 April
'.Garson began Mr Anderson's new House on the Hill'.
James A. Grahame reported from Norway House on 8 May 1867 on the year's
trade to date to Governor Mactavish at Fort Garry and wrote of the fire:
'On the night of the 13th of February we received a dreadful fright from the
breaking out of fire in one of the dwelling houses in the Fort.The ceiling
of the house on fire proved to have been stuffed with sawdust when built,
and we managed to quench the flames before they had pentrated into the
garret, and no property has been destroyed, but I regret to say that Mr
Anderson's four oldest children died of suffocation in dreadful agonies.I
have been quite unable to unravel the mystery of how the fire originated,
and can only ascribe it to carelessness in extinguishing a candle.'.
On 13 May an entry in the Norway House post journal records the arrival of
'Mrs John Isbister' to stay with 'her daughter Mrs Anderson' and on 18 May
the journal records:
'.Mrs Anderson presented her husband with a young Son, this afternoon'.
19 May
'.Mrs Anderson has been very ill all last night & today'.
The journal entry for 19 October reads as follows:
'.Mr James Anderson was taken suddenly ill about half past twelve today &
died very calmly about 2 o'clock, it is supposed he died of Heart Disease.'
and that for 21 October:
'.Mr J. Anderson was buried today over in the Graveyard the service was read
by the Revd C. Stringfellow'.
James G. Stewart to William MacTavish at Fort Garry, dated Norway House, 21
October 1867
'It becomes my painful duty to inform you of the very sudden death of Mr
James Anderson of Norway House, which occurred on the 19th, the immediate
cause of his death was as the enclosed copy of Certificate from Dr McKay
will show was "Organic disease of the heart". The original of the
Certificate will be kept here and can be had if necessary
Mr Anderson's remains were interred this morning by the Revd Mr Stringfellow
I need scarcely add that he is universally regretted at this place both for
his public duties, which were manifold and faithfully performed, as well as
for his private character.
His loss entails on me a considerable increase of responsibility and will
necessitate my sending to Oxford for Mr C. Sinclair.
Governor William Mactavish to William G. Smith, Secretary, at Hudson's Bay
House, London, dated Fort Garry, Red River, 13 January 1868
'.I am sorry to have to inform you that Mr. James Anderson one of the clerks
attached to Norway house died there in October last of disease of the Heart.
Mr Anderson has left a family in the Country and though Mr Chief Trader
Stewart does not say so, I think has died intestate. He was a very useful
man at Norway House where he had great experience.'.
Acknowledges letters of 13 and 20 January, 1868:
William G. Smith (Secretary), Hudson's Bay Company, London, to William
Mactavish, Governor of Ruperts Land, at Fort Garry, dated 7 March 1868
'.The Committee regret to hear of the death of Mr James Anderson, Clerk at
Norway House last Autumn whose faithful services to the Company you have
brought under their notice.'.
Take Care;
Mandy Bergen nee Anderson
James Anderson (died 1867)
According to the Hudson's Bay Company's Abstracts of Servants accounts'
James Anderson is listed as coming from the parish of Bressay in the
Shetland Islands. He remained throughout his career with the Company in the
Norway House District, being listed as a labourer for outfits 1842-43 to
1846-47, as a joiner for outfits 1847-48 to1853-54, as an interpreter for
outfits 1854-55 to 1855-56, as a postmaster from outfit 1856-57 to outfit
1861-62, and subsequently as a clerk.
A Norway House post journal exists in the Company's archives covering 1867
and this contains the following information regarding the fire at James
Anderson's house in February of that year:
1867
14 February
' A large fire broke out in the Kitchen part of Mr. Anderson's House about
half past one o'clock AM The eldest daughter Fanny was the first who
discovered the fire she ran and told her Father and Mother who were asleep
at the other end of the house. Mrs. Anderson broke the window and got out
herself, Mary the third youngest & youngest boy and took them over to Mr.
Grahame's. Mr. Anderson got out by the Kitchen door and gave the alarm, and
every person about the Fort promptly on the spot. Mr. Grahame and others
managed to get the remaining children out of the house. Jane the second
daughter was found in bed but quite dead; she had been smothered before the
people outside could get in. Fanny, the eldest, was so badly burned that she
died at 7 o'clock PM three more are in very low state having also got very
burns. If is had not been a very calm night and the able way the people
worked the greater part of the fort would have been in ashes. I cannot say
how the fire originated, Mr Anderson's family are getting nursed and
carefully attended to in Mr Grahame's house.
15 February
'.Mr. Anderson's two eldest children were buried today over at the Grave
Yard. The Revd C. Stringfellow preached the burial service. About 8 o'clock
this evening Bella the third daughter died after suffering a great deal of
pain, from her internal and external burns'.
16 February
'.Bella Anderson was buried today at the Grave Yard the Revd C. Stringfellow
read the service George Anderson died a little after 8 o'clock, this evening
from the effects of the burns he received'.
18 February
'.George Anderson was buried over in the grave yard The Burial service was
read by Mr Stringfellow'.
James A. Grahame to W
22 April
'.Garson began Mr Anderson's new House on the Hill'.
James A. Grahame reported from Norway House on 8 May 1867 on the year's
trade to date to Governor Mactavish at Fort Garry and wrote of the fire:
'On the night of the 13th of February we received a dreadful fright from the
breaking out of fire in one of the dwelling houses in the Fort.The ceiling
of the house on fire proved to have been stuffed with sawdust when built,
and we managed to quench the flames before they had pentrated into the
garret, and no property has been destroyed, but I regret to say that Mr
Anderson's four oldest children died of suffocation in dreadful agonies.I
have been quite unable to unravel the mystery of how the fire originated,
and can only ascribe it to carelessness in extinguishing a candle.'.
On 13 May an entry in the Norway House post journal records the arrival of
'Mrs John Isbister' to stay with 'her daughter Mrs Anderson' and on 18 May
the journal records:
'.Mrs Anderson presented her husband with a young Son, this afternoon'.
19 May
'.Mrs Anderson has been very ill all last night & today'.
The journal entry for 19 October reads as follows:
'.Mr James Anderson was taken suddenly ill about half past twelve today &
died very calmly about 2 o'clock, it is supposed he died of Heart Disease.'
and that for 21 October:
'.Mr J. Anderson was buried today over in the Graveyard the service was read
by the Revd C. Stringfellow'.
James G. Stewart to William MacTavish at Fort Garry, dated Norway House, 21
October 1867
'It becomes my painful duty to inform you of the very sudden death of Mr
James Anderson of Norway House, which occurred on the 19th, the immediate
cause of his death was as the enclosed copy of Certificate from Dr McKay
will show was "Organic disease of the heart". The original of the
Certificate will be kept here and can be had if necessary
Mr Anderson's remains were interred this morning by the Revd Mr Stringfellow
I need scarcely add that he is universally regretted at this place both for
his public duties, which were manifold and faithfully performed, as well as
for his private character.
His loss entails on me a considerable increase of responsibility and will
necessitate my sending to Oxford for Mr C. Sinclair.
Governor William Mactavish to William G. Smith, Secretary, at Hudson's Bay
House, London, dated Fort Garry, Red River, 13 January 1868
'.I am sorry to have to inform you that Mr. James Anderson one of the clerks
attached to Norway house died there in October last of disease of the Heart.
Mr Anderson has left a family in the Country and though Mr Chief Trader
Stewart does not say so, I think has died intestate. He was a very useful
man at Norway House where he had great experience.'.
Acknowledges letters of 13 and 20 January, 1868:
William G. Smith (Secretary), Hudson's Bay Company, London, to William
Mactavish, Governor of Ruperts Land, at Fort Garry, dated 7 March 1868
'.The Committee regret to hear of the death of Mr James Anderson, Clerk at
Norway House last Autumn whose faithful services to the Company you have
brought under their notice.'.
Take Care;
Mandy Bergen nee Anderson
Re: JAMES ANDERSON (1827-1867)
Question, If according to the 1881 census, Caroline Derby is born in 1870 doesn’t that make her the daughter of Eugene Derby? I did notice a BIG mistake on ancestry regarding a Caroline Anderson born Nov 1868, listing her as the daughter of James Anderson who died in Oct 1867, that’s 13 months after he died. How is that possible? Beth
Re: JAMES ANDERSON (1827-1867)
Beth: I have Caroline born around 1866. Her age in the 1881 census looks like an error to me; should be 21 rather than 11. There are lots of errors to be found in the census records as the following bears out:
After she married MONKMAN, in the 1891 census she is recorded as Caroline MONKMAN, age 24 (b-c1867); in 1901 as age 31 (b-1860); in 1906 as age 38 (b-1868); in 1911 as age 43 (b-1868).
Nevertheless, there is also confusing information out there regarding William Lowe MONKMAN’s having married Caroline ANDERSON and / or Caroline SINCLAIR, which I haven’t been able to solve.
Gary
After she married MONKMAN, in the 1891 census she is recorded as Caroline MONKMAN, age 24 (b-c1867); in 1901 as age 31 (b-1860); in 1906 as age 38 (b-1868); in 1911 as age 43 (b-1868).
Nevertheless, there is also confusing information out there regarding William Lowe MONKMAN’s having married Caroline ANDERSON and / or Caroline SINCLAIR, which I haven’t been able to solve.
Gary
Re: JAMES ANDERSON (1827-1867)
Hi Gary
William Lowe Monkman married Caroline Sinclair. All the birth registrations for their children list Caroline Sinclair as the mother. Is it possible she was adopted somewhere during Elizabeth Anderson-Derby’s travels?
On another note: Fanny Anderson is the oldest daughter of James and Elizabeth Anderson.
“From the transcriptions of the headstones at the Hudson's Bay Company
cemetery at Norway House.
ANDERSON, Sacred to the memory of Fanny, Jane, Isabella, the three eldest
daughters, and George, the eldest son of James ANDERSON, clerk to the
honorable Hudson's Bay Co, whose deaths took place on the 13th of Feb, 1867 from the effects of a fire which occured at the company's establishment at Norway House.”
Beth
William Lowe Monkman married Caroline Sinclair. All the birth registrations for their children list Caroline Sinclair as the mother. Is it possible she was adopted somewhere during Elizabeth Anderson-Derby’s travels?
On another note: Fanny Anderson is the oldest daughter of James and Elizabeth Anderson.
“From the transcriptions of the headstones at the Hudson's Bay Company
cemetery at Norway House.
ANDERSON, Sacred to the memory of Fanny, Jane, Isabella, the three eldest
daughters, and George, the eldest son of James ANDERSON, clerk to the
honorable Hudson's Bay Co, whose deaths took place on the 13th of Feb, 1867 from the effects of a fire which occured at the company's establishment at Norway House.”
Beth